do normal groups ever do stuff? - Guild Wars Forums

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 12:45 PM // 12:45

this has been pissing me off for a couple of years now

I wanted Deldrimor armor for a hero like a year and a half ago and noone was selling it so I went on my assassin to Umbral Grotto and tryed to look for a group for Slavers' Exile someone invited my assassin to a group then 5 minutes later kicked me from group after screaming at me for a few minutes cause I wasn't a "Perma" seems they were doing VSF not full Slavers' Exile and at the time I was new and had no idea what a perma was.

so to my question do normal groups ever do things? i'm talking like say a dagger mastery assassin and normal healers and all that in UW and FoW and Slavers' Exile rather than 8 people with specialized builds just for it to farm ectos

seems kinda F'd to invite a guy to a VSF when hes looking for a Slavers' Exile group and then to go off at them when they aren't a perma

and for UW noone will take someone with a build that is the correct build if they haven't done it before so I can't farm ectos

seems i've spent hundreds of plat on gear and builds to farm only to find out that type of farmings useless it seems like every type of farming and money making in the game doesn't exist anymore I have 12 plat atm and no way to make more the main way I made money since farming didn't exist anymore was buying H CoF runs and selling the mods and materials I got from it only to have people laugh at me for using that to make plat

lodgeinator · Oct 03, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56

People do not want to fail, therefor if you do not have the correct build to do the job as efficiently as possiable then you will not be allowed to play.

riktw · Oct 03, 2010, 01:11 PM // 13:11

there are some guilds that do dungeons in normalway but PUG's dont
UW and FoW is very possible with a normal team, but it takes a couple of hours.
and you still need a good build and teamspeak/ventrilo is recommanded.
if you wanna do UW or FoW you can PM me and we can try

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 01:34 PM // 13:34

the sad part of it is I find no real reason to play guild wars because of all of this I mean whats the point of logging in when theres pretty much nothing to do? I finished all 4 games to the end farming it seems is so nerfed its impossible the game seems lacking in stuff to do from my view of it

I also went out and got my Ele Sunspear rank 9 and after taking a few months to get it cause of not playing much everyone at Umbral laughed at me cause in the mean time they had nerfed Ele Cryer so much that noone wants them everyne told me to go out yet again and level a monk and do all of EotN story on the monk just to be able to VSF so I pretty much just gave up there after months of work to be told it was a waste and to spend months more to get another character ready with no clue if they'd be useful in the end

Pleikki · Oct 03, 2010, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by riktw

there are some guilds that do dungeons in normalway but PUG's dont
UW and FoW is very possible with a normal team, but it takes a couple of hours.
and you still need a good build and teamspeak/ventrilo is recommanded.
if you wanna do UW or FoW you can PM me and we can try

Couple of hours? noway

And yes ppl do it, But such guilds which do it are quite rare nowadays..

Fow can be done 30-45mins in HM with "normal" team, so not rly hours.

Uw maybe 60-90mins

But ofc it rly depends on ppl and such

Neith · Oct 03, 2010, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by riktw
there are some guilds that do dungeons in normalway but PUG's dont
UW and FoW is very possible with a normal team, but it takes a couple of hours.
and you still need a good build and teamspeak/ventrilo is recommanded.
if you wanna do UW or FoW you can PM me and we can try

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Originally posted by Pleikki
Couple of hours? noway

And yes ppl do it, But such guilds which do it are quite rare nowadays..

Fow can be done 30-45mins in HM with "normal" team, so not rly hours.

Uw maybe 60-90mins

But ofc it rly depends on ppl and such

In all the Normal/balanced UW runs we ever do least time is just a few minutes shy of 2 1/2 hours, so your 60-90 minutes show me what you use. And that is taking any profession with no gimmick builds. And we do know what we are doing in the UW. we have a thread on it in the pugs and grouping section.

if all you want to do is farm to me that is pretty sad, what's the point in farming if you are saying what's the point in playing. Play to have fun with the people that you get to know. We created that thread because I enjoy helping people accomplish something that others aren't willing to do. Granted we have had failed runs due to mistakes, bad spawns, it's a disappointment sure, but I know that even if we fail the 1st time we will always make it the second time. But the point of this game is to have fun not to farm the hell out of it. That's what is driving the prices down, just a few weeks ago people were paying 20-21e for armbrace now they are trying for 16e and less then 3 years ago they were 100k + 20-21ectos. It's sad. pretty soon Gem sets are going to be worth the same thing as 1 ecto. pretty sad imo.

If all you want to do is farm log onto your facebook and play farmville.

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Neith

In all the Normal/balanced UW runs we ever do least time is just a few minutes shy of 2 1/2 hours, so your 60-90 minutes show me what you use. And that is taking any profession with no gimmick builds. And we do know what we are doing in the UW. we have a thread on it in the pugs and grouping section.

if all you want to do is farm to me that is pretty sad, what's the point in farming if you are saying what's the point in playing. Play to have fun with the people that you get to know. We created that thread because I enjoy helping people accomplish something that others aren't willing to do. Granted we have had failed runs due to mistakes, bad spawns, it's a disappointment sure, but I know that even if we fail the 1st time we will always make it the second time. But the point of this game is to have fun not to farm the hell out of it. That's what is driving the prices down, just a few weeks ago people were paying 20-21e for armbrace now they are trying for 16e a less then 3 years ago they were 100k + 20-21ectos. It's sad. pretty soon Gem sets are going to be worth the same thing as 1 ecto. pretty sad imo

and thats just my point everyone seems to just farm which cause of nerfs is getting harder to do but with game built as it is other than farm or do the storyline over and over what else is there to do?

Quaker · Oct 03, 2010, 02:40 PM // 14:40

To answer the OP's question in the thread title - because of the age of the game, the relative lack of players in some areas, and the existance of Heroes, you won't find true "PUGs" - pickup groups formed from random people - very often any more.
The exception may be the current Zaishen bounty/mission or WiK quests.
It's just the unfortunate result of the age of the game and the lack of new campaigns or expansions.

Your choices basically come down to either finding an active Guild that does "normal" stuff, or going with Heroes and Henchies.

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Quaker

To answer the OP's question in the thread title - because of the age of the game, the relative lack of players in some areas, and the existance of Heroes, you won't find true "PUGs" - pickup groups formed from random people - very often any more.
The exception may be the current Zaishen bounty/mission or WiK quests.
It's just the unfortunate result of the age of the game and the lack of new campaigns or expansions.

Your choices basically come down to either finding an active Guild that does "normal" stuff, or going with Heroes and Henchies.

which can't tend to do some of it

I would of thought the AI with the faster response time than humans would be better healers yet it sooms not to be the case oddly and same with most other things

Bandwagon · Oct 03, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by peteed1985

which can't tend to do some of it

I would of thought the AI with the faster response time than humans would be better healers yet it sooms not to be the case oddly and same with most other things

Actually heroes, when given specific builds can and WILL perform better than human players in terms of efficiency, spacial awareness, and response time (however they will still clump together and die to AOE unless you micro them). You may not be using skills that heroes use effectively.

Example of a skill that heroes do not use effectively: Word of Healing / Zealous Benediction. - Both of these skills have conditional benefits that most players (as a form of skill) use when they can meet the requirement for the conditional benefit (bonus healing for WoH, E-management for ZB). Heroes however will cast it whenever they can with little regard to no regard for the secondary effect, making the skills lackluster.

Heroes are good when the build they use allows them to spam skills with little regard for any secondary effects that they may have.

Slavers' is a difficult area, but it is H/H'able even in HM (lots of micro involved though).

Chthon · Oct 03, 2010, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Neith

In all the Normal/balanced UW runs we ever do least time is just a few minutes shy of 2 1/2 hours, so your 60-90 minutes show me what you use.

Fine-tuned physway can complete HM UW in ~80-90min. Getting below 80min might be possible. Bring-your-own-build physway is closer to 100min. Both of those would be a bit faster in NM. I agree that 60-90min sounds unrealistically fast; at least the 60 end of the spectrum sounds unrealistically fast. Even if the map were completely empty of monsters, you'd be hard pressed just to walk all the quest paths and then kill Dhuum in 60min. Most of the time savings for speed clears comes from doing multiple quests at once. Without that advantage, balanced teams are going to hit an absolute wall, probably somewhere between 70-80min for HM.

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Guild Wars.

Take the hint.

Bristlebane · Oct 03, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55

There are still penty of guild that do casual events together, clearing FoW, UW and dungeons. Just avoid joining all thoose elitist *SC guilds. Also ignore the troll above me.

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Bandwagon

Actually heroes, when given specific builds can and WILL perform better than human players in terms of efficiency, spacial awareness, and response time (however they will still clump together and die to AOE unless you micro them). You may not be using skills that heroes use effectively.

Example of a skill that heroes do not use effectively: Word of Healing / Zealous Benediction. - Both of these skills have conditional benefits that most players (as a form of skill) use when they can meet the requirement for the conditional benefit (bonus healing for WoH, E-management for ZB). Heroes however will cast it whenever they can with little regard to no regard for the secondary effect, making the skills lackluster.

Heroes are good when the build they use allows them to spam skills with little regard for any secondary effects that they may have.

Slavers' is a difficult area, but it is H/H'able even in HM (lots of micro involved though).

the only heroes I ever seem to use is the Triple Necro Vanq thing (Sabway I think its called) due to it being the only real hero builds I know of

most of my other heroes are like low levels with no gear or builds mainly cause idk any builds for them

I also have a hard time working out what henchmen to use as well

another issue I have is that my character I love to play is a MM necro but sadly the Sabway minion bomber steals all my bloody corpses even when its got a full 9 so i'm left with none alot of the time so instead of playing my necro as i'd like I am forced to play my Ele and on it in hard mode I have a fire build thats pretty crap so as you can see i'm a mess and a little out of my depth

Cuilan · Oct 03, 2010, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Neith

And that is taking any profession with no gimmick builds.

Apart of balanced and normal groups is also accepting "gimmick" builds. Otherwise, that's not a normal group.

**cosyfiep** · Oct 03, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38

you could not take the mm hero when you are doing mm...and take a different hero (like the ele---) that way you are making the minions instead of the hero.
There are as many builds out there as their are players (ok, probably more) so you can try new things on your own---only elists think that you MUST use xyz build---if you play on your own you can do whatever your heart desires. (and level your heroes up the process).

there are still a few guilds out there for the more casual player so I would suggest looking for them (try looking thru the guild recruitment section )....

*Darcy* · Oct 03, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04

You can learn to make efficient builds for your heroes. Here is a link to the Campfire sections Heroes & AI sub forum stickied basics thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...t10293264.html
It goes over the skills heroes don't use well.

You can also try some of the hero builds from PvXWiki (when it reappears on the new host site).

As for Slaver's Exile, the farming for that has been the same almost since day one. We've all had problems putting groups together. You could try forming your own group and state that it's not for farming.

Skyy High · Oct 03, 2010, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

There are still penty of guild that do casual events together, clearing FoW, UW and dungeons. Just avoid joining all thoose elitist *SC guilds. Also ignore the troll above me.

If you're referring to me, how the hell was I trolling? I said exactly the same thing that you did, albeit in a snarky fashion because this topic has been discussed ad nauseum for years. It's still true: the game is called Guild Wars, find yourself a guild that does the things you like to do.

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

you could not take the mm hero when you are doing mm...and take a different hero (like the ele---) that way you are making the minions instead of the hero.
There are as many builds out there as their are players (ok, probably more) so you can try new things on your own---only elists think that you MUST use xyz build---if you play on your own you can do whatever your heart desires. (and level your heroes up the process).

there are still a few guilds out there for the more casual player so I would suggest looking for them (try looking thru the guild recruitment section )....

true but just putting random skills in wouldn't do more than fail far as I can work out.

those casual guilds i've been looking for one for ages but they all either seem inactive or do nothing together cause to most people casual means a guild that won't force ya to do stuff with them which basicly tend to mean your in the guild simply so your not guildless if I could find a casual guild that still actually did alot together it would be awesome

peteed1985 · Oct 03, 2010, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

If you're referring to me, how the hell was I trolling? I said exactly the same thing that you did, albeit in a snarky fashion because this topic has been discussed ad nauseum for years. It's still true: the game is called Guild Wars, find yourself a guild that does the things you like to do.

funny thing is your only focusing on the word guild if you use the name of the game to point out what people should do in game I challenge you to find a couple of in game guild where they are having a war where only those 2 guilds fight each other lol all the PVP in this game and yet theres no such thing as a guild war lol. Arenanet was kinda stupid with the name of the game. so i'd have to agree with the Trolling remark :P

Oct 03, 2010, 12:45 PM // 12:45	#1
peteed1985 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	do normal groups ever do stuff? this has been pissing me off for a couple of years now I wanted Deldrimor armor for a hero like a year and a half ago and noone was selling it so I went on my assassin to Umbral Grotto and tryed to look for a group for Slavers' Exile someone invited my assassin to a group then 5 minutes later kicked me from group after screaming at me for a few minutes cause I wasn't a "Perma" seems they were doing VSF not full Slavers' Exile and at the time I was new and had no idea what a perma was. so to my question do normal groups ever do things? i'm talking like say a dagger mastery assassin and normal healers and all that in UW and FoW and Slavers' Exile rather than 8 people with specialized builds just for it to farm ectos seems kinda F'd to invite a guy to a VSF when hes looking for a Slavers' Exile group and then to go off at them when they aren't a perma and for UW noone will take someone with a build that is the correct build if they haven't done it before so I can't farm ectos seems i've spent hundreds of plat on gear and builds to farm only to find out that type of farmings useless it seems like every type of farming and money making in the game doesn't exist anymore I have 12 plat atm and no way to make more the main way I made money since farming didn't exist anymore was buying H CoF runs and selling the mods and materials I got from it only to have people laugh at me for using that to make plat

Oct 03, 2010, 02:40 PM // 14:40	#8
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	To answer the OP's question in the thread title - because of the age of the game, the relative lack of players in some areas, and the existance of Heroes, you won't find true "PUGs" - pickup groups formed from random people - very often any more. The exception may be the current Zaishen bounty/mission or WiK quests. It's just the unfortunate result of the age of the game and the lack of new campaigns or expansions. Your choices basically come down to either finding an active Guild that does "normal" stuff, or going with Heroes and Henchies. Last edited by Quaker; Oct 03, 2010 at 02:42 PM // 14:42..

Oct 03, 2010, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#16
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	you could not take the mm hero when you are doing mm...and take a different hero (like the ele---) that way you are making the minions instead of the hero. There are as many builds out there as their are players (ok, probably more) so you can try new things on your own---only elists think that you MUST use xyz build---if you play on your own you can do whatever your heart desires. (and level your heroes up the process). there are still a few guilds out there for the more casual player so I would suggest looking for them (try looking thru the guild recruitment section ).... __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Oct 03, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04	#17
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	You can learn to make efficient builds for your heroes. Here is a link to the Campfire sections Heroes & AI sub forum stickied basics thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...t10293264.html It goes over the skills heroes don't use well. You can also try some of the hero builds from PvXWiki (when it reappears on the new host site). As for Slaver's Exile, the farming for that has been the same almost since day one. We've all had problems putting groups together. You could try forming your own group and state that it's not for farming. Last edited by Darcy; Oct 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM // 11:48.. Reason: Removed bad url

Oct 03, 2010, 12:56 PM // 12:56	#2
lodgeinator Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2007	People do not want to fail, therefor if you do not have the correct build to do the job as efficiently as possiable then you will not be allowed to play.

Oct 03, 2010, 01:11 PM // 13:11	#3
riktw Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: netherlands Profession: Mo/E	there are some guilds that do dungeons in normalway but PUG's dont UW and FoW is very possible with a normal team, but it takes a couple of hours. and you still need a good build and teamspeak/ventrilo is recommanded. if you wanna do UW or FoW you can PM me and we can try

Oct 03, 2010, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#4
peteed1985 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010	the sad part of it is I find no real reason to play guild wars because of all of this I mean whats the point of logging in when theres pretty much nothing to do? I finished all 4 games to the end farming it seems is so nerfed its impossible the game seems lacking in stuff to do from my view of it I also went out and got my Ele Sunspear rank 9 and after taking a few months to get it cause of not playing much everyone at Umbral laughed at me cause in the mean time they had nerfed Ele Cryer so much that noone wants them everyne told me to go out yet again and level a monk and do all of EotN story on the monk just to be able to VSF so I pretty much just gave up there after months of work to be told it was a waste and to spend months more to get another character ready with no clue if they'd be useful in the end

Oct 03, 2010, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#12
Skyy High Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2006 Profession: R/	Guild Wars. Take the hint.

Oct 03, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#13
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	There are still penty of guild that do casual events together, clearing FoW, UW and dungeons. Just avoid joining all thoose elitist *SC guilds. Also ignore the troll above me.